What is the action of not letting memory intrude? | J. Krishnamurti
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- Опубликовано: 9 мар 2019
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Saanen 1984 - Question #2 from Question & Answer Meeting #1
'What is the action of not letting memory intrude? Is it to see its presence as it arises and drop it instantly, or should one be in a state where memory does not raise its head unless it is necessary?'
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27:00 if I am attentive there is no reaction, which means that there also is no recording at all (there is nothing to be recorded): I am not there to be recorded. I am my reactions, when there are no reactions, I am not. The body can still have reactions, but when I am aware of these reactions, and I do not react to them, then I am not recorded anymore, I am not there anymore, the one that is constantly judging is not there. I can still have head ache, but if I don't define "headache" as something bad, if I don't react to headache at all, then headache is not something bad anymore!!
Without the "ME" headache is not bad nor good, it just is!
I don't know if there is any difference between the body and the mind, or anything else, I only know that what Krishnamurti says can be it in different words to be more understandable. And I've understood from him that the only reaction you can have to something in order to see that something as it is, is the reaction of the dead man!!!!!! How would a dead man react to headache if he could have headache??? The answer is that a dead man would react in the same way in which an enlightened person would react to it! Which is total lack of reaction. In total lack of reaction headache is meaningless. If instead I react to headache, for example I hate having headache, or it makes me feel sad, then headache is not meaningless, then headache is something that has power over myself and my behaviour, then headache is the cause, and the way I behave is the effect. Action which is not caused, is the only kind of action an enlightened being knows, if he knows anything at all... An enlightened being forgets once and for all to react :))) forgets once one for all that he exists
The reactions of the body are there but the reactions of the "I" stop totally. These people has seen the end of the I, which has succumbed through total lack of reactions, in the moment in which they have become enlightened, the end of the entity that has reactions besides the body and though it is also identified with the body, the entity that has totally different reactions from the body even though it thinks to be the body. The end of this entity, is the end of the " second level" of reaction which are the reactions of the "I" : at the "first level " we have the reactions of the body to cold, to sensations, reactions of eyes to light etc.... Which are made by nature itself, not by us. In an enlightened being only nature's actions remain
@@Andrei-ti1ij really well explained!
Thanks for your explanation.it really helped me in understanding it.
Then why he is laughing in his talks?.Please enlighten me to understand it clearly
@@biwekluitel6021 good point, I also had this doubt in terms of reaction...
It's not very common to see Krishnamurti laughing in videos like this, loveley to see this part of him.
Loved his laugh and anecdotes.
Love to krishnamurti.
He laughs all the time in his eyes it’s amazing to watch.
I just love him very rare to find someone like him virtually impossible
In the videos of his later years this part was seen more often.
I think I get it. This learning its like to have a pure stance, learning from what you are observing like it is the first time, with your whole attention. It is an infinite learning, this learning doesn't want to reach the end, the conclusion, it wants to keep learning forever about what is being observed. It does not record, its like a river of learning, superpositioning the learning each moment.
There is some beauty, some freshness in this act.
You have to assume a humble, pure stance like you doesn't know anything, then you are totally open to learn from scratch, learn from zero. Then you will pay attention with your whole being and enter in this non ending process of learning.
Its not about reaching conclusions, its about attention and this infinite learning.
In this kind of learning... Learner is absent.
There is no attender in attention.
You are attending without center or self.
How do you learn without rememberence , memory ? Later on how does that learning without memory will work if I wanna or have to interact with certain people? Or even will it work ?
love the way he sumplifies complex subjects so effortlessly ... love from Pakistan
Memory only records when we're not in full attention. If you live in a state of inattention then you consistently repeat what you record. Since inattention is simply time, choice, anger, worry ect.
Those properties are repeated But if your present, Wich is awareness, theirs no way of repeating time and when you have a moment of inattention it is greatly noticed and can be addressed immediately. MEMORY ONLY RECORDS IN OUR INATTENTION
This man is really a leader of hapiness.
a couple things for folks listening ... when he says "recording psychologically" he is saying we have recordings in our subconscious mind that are basically NOT reality (and these things hold our mind back from progression). We can stop these things from occurring in the NOW, but based on past items, when they come up, we need to drop them and first realize they are there because of our FEELINGS toward them in the past. We must realize its the combination of feeling + the feelings with these memories (thoughts) that caused them to hit the subconscious in the first place, so you can stop feelings and thoughts now, but for past items that come up, recognize them for what they are and WHY they are recorded and drop them.
Beautifully put. Very useful … Are you a meditator ? Vipassana meditator, by any chance?
Simple mind is the beauty of existence.
Teras in my eyes when I listen to him I don't know why
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We've the opportunity through his words to be a light for ourself all our life.
Wow 😮. I get goosebumps at the time when he questions the requirement of inwards psychological recording.
U missed the point
From 23:35, he explains choiceless awareness or Vipassanā (Awareness without craving & aversion).
Right. His teachings are quite close to Vipassana
@@AlokKumar-je9hd or the other way around :)
Incomparible Mr k... He iz always ROCKING STAR....
K leaves me with the silence the way he describes :)
Choice less awareness means attention.
Thank you for uploading this video ❤❤
Thank you for this. 🙏🏻🙌🏼🤗🥰
So beautiful!
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Memory doesn't intrude unless you let it.
The present state of NOW must be large.
A better future comes from this kNowing.
Past, Present, & Future come from NOW!
I thank you 🙏🏽
This is like a laser beam. Penetrates to the soul.
I think this video is for good and peace loving people living amidst people who are not so.
Beautiful message sir..💐💐💐
Speechless.
I am here to be washed up but it's more like series of wakening ups from the sleep, which hasn't any requirement when it comes to growing 🙏🏽
Nice beard bro
identification its ego .... great spirit ...
Nice question ...'K' always opened up totally when he had discussions with David bhom(physicist)..but in public talks and discussions; he couldn't answer the questions in depth due to time constraints..
Beautifully stated!!!
The best about India nowadays is that people are leaving Islam, Hinduism and other religions and enquiring these kind of questions
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4:30 The activity of memory is the state of our relationship with another.
Hmmm is that so 🤔
Merci !
love this
Memory should not be brought in to relationships. It is the nature of Consciousness to record the things, what we see what we hear what we learn, but these recordings we should use only for a purpose, not in relationships and for that no recording psychologically. This is what I perceived... Thank you Friend ♥️♥️♥️🙏🙏🙏Salutations to you 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
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I would have liked to know Krishnamurti's thoughts on the following scenario. Suppose a wife is living with a husband suffering from alcoholism, and she has built up the image of his being an alcoholic. Now if she were free of that image, would he thereby cease being an alcoholic? It seems reasonable to say that she would still have to deal with the husband's problem (which in turn would be part of her problem, since she lives with him), image or no image. Now I neither support nor reject this train of thinking. I'm investigating it. The implication of harboring no image is that whatever the wife DOES at that point will be appropriate because she's acting spontaneously. In other words, since she's free of the conditioning of the image, her action in relation to her husband will be sound and correct. Freedom from the image implies clarity of thought and action.
I think she is going from image or another image
If you discover Silence, you will have your answer...
My take is that if the wife has free herself totally from the image of her husband of being alcoholic and feel good at whatever her husband does, then the action of the husband will slowly develop towards the direction of bringing peace and harmonious relationship. This is provided they still live together and loved each other.
Freeing ourselves from the image of the other doesn’t directly change any condition they might be suffering from- but it does fundamentally alter the nature of our interaction with them.
Imageless beholding of the other means being rooted in a kind of loving clarity, free from past conditioning, which dissolves reactivity and makes room for us to respond naturally in love- in a way that honors and respects ourselves and others- so if the wife did this then it would mean caring healthfully for herself and her husband in a way that would hold space for curiosity and compassion to offer profound support and healing alongside healthy boundaries-which would be the most conducive environment for the husband to come home to his own awareness.
Simply put, if she rests in Being then rests in a place of beloved belonging and deep centered connection and wholeness - and life lived from beloved belonging in love, wholeness, and connection always leads to more love, wholeness, and connection. So if anyone lives and loves from that place they will not only find their own peace and wholeness but they will naturally respond to all relational experiences around them in a way that fosters the same in others- like K did.
Thank you for sharing J. Krishnamurti's wisdom! you are truly awesome and wonderful as always ^^
full of attention no recording or no memory its a beautiful ,level of knowledge
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If i understand this correctly psychological memory refers to "me" which is "I". But "I" is a product "thought" which is of time and memories. Therefore recording memories for psychological events have no meaning when "I" is an illusion itself.
Live in a state of attention, helps to avoid most of the unnecesary , useless recording.
You can't understand this INTELLECTUALLY
How does I an illusion ? I feel and acknowledge that there is some Sense of I exist within me .
Great question
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A good memory here,his laughter,his light side...and all that is MORE NECESSARY to record in this brain. Haha.
Thank you for coming to mankind,JK.
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I will see the truth in it
Memories aren't a problem.
They are like clouds floating through a clear sky.
There is no "letting" or "not letting"
The mind does what it will.
It is when she who remembers
Clings to them, good or bad
Holds onto them, creating desire
For them to stay or for them to go.
Who desires these memories stay or go?
Would a problem exist without her?
Yes, true. Also, there's the "emotions" behind the memories.... Strong emotions in particular such as fear, or attachment to pleasure.
But isn't it a fact that as long as memories in movement we cling to them?
The emotions are also just clouds passing...
i've been experimenting this, it actually works, to actually attend
good one - funny guy . also took him a while to catch the wave . he s pretty fresh . so recording to memory facts , or recording to memory 'psychologically' ... "cultivated". just the outside facts; no hurt no flattery. Hard to do because it keeps me busy along with everyone else . Not so much that I have to do it ; but just recognizing when I am not doing it.
Granted. But we are not ONLY a bundle of memories. If that were so, there would be no way out. The fact that we have a capacity for fresh investigation, the fact that we can inquire into matters anew shows we are more than just memories.
All investigations begin with the memories.
Hey, I rather like the blue shirt! Was also aware that I liked what sounded like a mourning dove cooing as he started speaking... and now am also aware that I make nonsensical youtube comments, sorry. Forget this, or better yet don’t record it!
3:50 - 4:10 , priceless all these videos I seen first time I see him break character 🤣 he's human after all 🤣🙏
The answer is Silence...
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Please, upload Spanish subtitles to the videos.
Thank you.
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The question is about memory which is already there like childhood memories or memory of gratitude for help received. How to deal with such memories? That is the question. K side steps that question and talks of not recording and attention in the psychological field.
Is psychological recording is not good ? What if , i have record of childhood moments, school days etc ???
never knew he dismantled a car and put it back up again...
This part of him is amazing.
Have u heard about K's encounter with a wild tiger?
@@banushankar566 where did you get this from ?
@@banushankar566 no, what it is?
22:18 the real question...
Recording sounds like learning
Projection also divides the mind…
what does he mean at 27:30 when he said one must completely attend while driving car compare to attend when she was speaking.
While driving a car you must pay attention to the driving but while you are listening to someone you can allow your attention drift onto something else while being aware of your attention drifting.
Very good speech...but if I am talking with my father, there may be something which he says that I need to remember later on..so I am not sure if it is possible for the brain to not record some happening...usually, if we keep thinking something, we are not aware of other things around us...but we tend to retain some memory all the time...our brain has evolved over a long time...for example, when human beings were in forests, they have to remember the sound of a tiger and its shape and they have to see if the sound or the shape appears somewhere and they have to react to it...if their brains do not record the sound of the tiger moving, then they will not recognize the tiger when it comes next time and the tiger would attack them easily...so I think the recording process of the brain is quite useful...I am not sure if it is possible for the brain not to record in the psychological realm and keep recording other things
He doesn't say you shouldn't remember anything. He clearly states that you need memory to cope with the ordinary things life (how to use a tool, how to go from one place to another, etc.). But there are a lot of things that you remember even if you don't have to. If you think you're smart, and someone says you're stupid, you're likely to remember it. But if you have never even thought about whether you're smart or not and if you have no interest in the whole thing, you don't likely store that in your memory. You remember the special cases, and your past life dictates what you think is relevant (aside from lions and such) and what is not.
Summary:
If you are totally attentive to the event then mind won't record and there won't be memory of that event and if there is no memory/image then every time it is like first time i.e. fresh.
Attention
I am and you are...a bundle of memories😊😊
@@Ibrahim-hh6qx n who told you im an indian? 😀
@@Ibrahim-hh6qx ha ha...no need for sorry! I am in fact an Indian!! 😀
@@junglebrother221 thanks 🙂
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@@creativitywithspirituality9184 ,Mansi 🤗🤗 ...
How are you ? 🤗 After a long time 😂😂👍👍
29:29 Just hit on the nail!!
Damn
Pl add English subtitles
How should i not record while having pleasure of smoking weed or sex or food or any other indulgence ? If i become attentive aware while taking a puff then can i drop it? I tried to do it. i Plz answer am serious about it. If i attend completely during the act of smoking or sex then i loose the forgetful pleasure of that act.
Without human interaction it is possible. Even without judging or choosing, If you are that merged and attentive, then you are formless everywhere and nowhere in the social mind. If brain waves are non-local then mirror neurons may record along that aerial of that cognitive sense base, unless you have such a deep attention and can attend to the memory process at a deeper level of composition into emptiness. Some non-dualist's maintain a spacious indifference throughput to avoid recording. Some choose to stick to a sense base such as actual sound and avoid cognition. Some go attentively deep into the brain and stay loose. Some have a filter of abandonment of distaste of inadvertent recording, and appreciation of the wholesome. All good many ways.
Will-Quiet part of the mind that observes,accepts,rejects,eliminates,indulges,orders correction and a change,Master in its own place capable of Self empire.
Sri Aurovindo
Mind is not a source of knowledge, it manipulates knowledge to aid action.
The Ancient wisdom, the speaker is a good model sitting there.
Real love is like that without l.
Self will should become Devine will like THAT
spacing dude
What does It mean washing up according to him ?
Aw this one don’t have captions. Do my best :)
How else can one see the conditioning?
Be in a state where memory does not raise its head unless necessary.
what does "washing up" mean here?
My good friend's mother was suffering from diabetes and for many years. One day she developed Alzheimer's disease, that is loss of memory. Later some months later it was discovered and confirmed by a doctor that her diabetes and high blood pressure symptoms all disappeared. Everybody including the doctor were surprised how this miracle took place.
Wonder whether there is anybody who knows why this can happened when the memory is lost?
The trees the birds the moon the light the blue shirt 🕉️
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When there is complete attention
there is no recording🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️
like driving a car
tremendous attention 🌸🪷🕊️
The moment I am
inattentive to what is said it’s recorded.
Got it😄
Will you do it 🫶
Does the other person take advantage and harm or cheat the person who is with completele attention with the person. Can anyone clear my doubt.
v v s Chodisetty my thought precisely
I feel yes, all this readings and lectures are for self awareness.
I'm not a native English speaker, but I am capable of reading complicated literature and understand it. But being into this video for 10 minutes gives me the impression of listening to the beginning again. Super difficult to follow his thoughts... :/
He is not difficult. We make him difficult. One can just listen without trying to judge whether he is correct or incorrect. That makes him easy.
Watch his videos and you will start getting them sooner.... Same happened with me too in the beginning because he doesn't preach to do anything in particular dictated by a second person, so for someone listening to him for the first time, their mind might take sometime to adjust .
This is no longer accepted; you go to school, pay attention and retain the information. Hello!? Got it?
No one like K
haha. its beyond your understanding, isnot it ?
A talker without real achievement
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